Tim Scott: "America Not A Racist Country", And Elders of The Black Panther Party | ITBP S5E23
In this episode we discuss Senator Tim Scott's republican rebuttal, and saying "America is not a racist country". And we also discuss how similar comments by Kamala Harris isn't getting as much backlash. We tackle how the rise in recognition for the Black Panther Party hasn't translated in support or notoriety for those aging members who helped to build the organization. And with the passing of hip hop legend Shock G, we ask; should hip hop artist unionize? All that and much more. Informed. Intelligent. In The Black.
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Big O 0:00
All right, tonight before our black box that has actually been a bunch of comments and letters that we've been getting from you guys as the day has been progressing. Yesterday, President Joe Biden gave his joint his speech to the joint, got chambers of Congress, which would essentially be the State of the Union, I guess, because we didn't have it at the beginning of the year, save the union, all that other stuff. And Senator Tim Scott, one of the two, one of the soul to black senators in the United States, Congress, gave the opposing argument for the Republican Party. And during that conversation or doing his rebuttal, he said, that, America, there is no racism in America, which, of course, as you can well imagine, has caused a huge backlash, not just for him. But for many Republicans across the board, especially republicans that are either black or people of color. One of the things that made me look at Kim Scott's comments, weirdly, right? is not necessarily because he said that there was no racism in America. But he started off the conversation by talking about America's Original Sin. So America's Original Sin for you guys that probably don't know, is slavery, right? slavery was not born out of nothing. Slavery is an atomism for racism. So how can you start your speech off talking about America's Original Sin, and then say that there's no racism in America, when the Foundation of America was built off of racism to this is the same Tim Scott did two years ago, wrote a full op ed in the Washington Post or the Washington Examiner, one of the two one of these newspapers and talked about how he faced racial profiling at the Capitol him as a senator coming in, people know him, and he would still get stopped like he was just some Joe Schmo and held off to the side until someone says, Oh, he's not just some regular black guy. He's Senator Tim Scott, why don't you let them on through. So you've got these two opposing parts of Tim Scott, that are not balancing out for me right now. But I shouldn't be surprised. Trump was in office for four years, and he didn't say not near one word about anything racial related. So I mean, it is I guess it's par for the course at this point. What do you guys think when you heard about Tim Scott, his comments?
Krush 2:52
I mean,
Big EL 2:55
come on, man. I mean, I'm not sure
Krush 3:01
I can only be annoyed modeling to a certain extent. Um, you know, I can't be baffled anymore by these kind of antics. This is what it's an antic you know, meant to signal something for someone I don't know who but you know, if there was anything that there was any more self inflicted damage they want to do themselves. Feel free, geeky, keep digging your own hole. I I really don't care. Oh,
Big EL 3:39
listen, I mean, I wasn't surprised. There wasn't shocking. It wasn't. It doesn't bother me. I think two things. Listening to the Vice President say something very similar to Tim Scott's speak on it. Very similar, and her not get near the backlash that Tim Scott is getting, I think is incredibly fascinating to me
Big O 4:11
to tell our tell our listeners why you believe she didn't get as much backlash as Tim's GOT GOT. Because for those that don't know, she said that she does not believe America is a racist place. And then tried to clarify it, but go ahead.
Big EL 4:26
I do not believe that this is a racist country. But we have a history that we need to speak truth about, which to me is saying that this is not a racist country. And the same thing that Tim Scott said. I think it's the fact that she I mean, she did the same thing. But she getting cut. She's getting cut a tremendous amount of slack. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that she's a a black appearing female for one that they're cutting her some slack. I think it's also
Big O 4:59
good That black appearance, issue black where she not black?
Big EL 5:04
How does she classify herself?
Big O 5:06
I've to be very honest,
Big EL 5:08
I've always Nope, I've heard her as a bicep as a black woman,
Big O 5:13
you have never heard her say that she represented herself, or at least maybe in the medium. Maybe that's because I've never officially heard her say it. But when she speaks about it, she speaks about
Big EL 5:24
multiple heritage. True, true multiple. And so I wasn't trying to be disparaging towards her. I was actually trying to say this is how she identifies herself respecting her, in that manner understood, she appears to be a black woman, most black people gravitate towards her as a black woman. I mean, we hold her is as
Big O 5:44
we hold her in a certain esteem because she's a blue, she's a black woman, I
Big EL 5:47
get you into the brain. And part of that is the fact that we equate all republicans would be white races. So we don't have this distinction to think that it's possible that Democrats can be racist, even though you got this month or get down in West Virginia, who is as big a racist as you're going to get in the country who's going who's been holding up everything in a predominantly white state. So the fact that I'm surprised and disappointed that the Vice President is actually getting slack or not getting slack. She's not getting taken to task for her making this type of statement that I think is just as egregious. Matt, if I can be honest with you. I think there's more egregious than Tim Scott. Wise, Tim Scott has been consistent in his commentary. He's been here before this. This is not a new, cool moment for him. He's been a cool
Big O 6:48
kid on that for a while. Yeah.
Big EL 6:52
We don't get any as expected to say anything different. No. Not really. Not really. No. It's like they matter crackhead for smoking rock. Like that's a crack is doing smoke crack. So you can be mad at a crack. So how? How is
Krush 7:11
he trying to explain this away?
Big EL 7:14
How did he know? She? She wants to try to downplay this. He hasn't she hasn't been challenged. Yeah, she has. I'll give you that
Big O 7:21
she has not been nobody has not been called. I mean, nobody. It came off as pretty benign when you see it in it. When you see it in action. It comes across as a throwaway. And I think honestly, it came across as a throwaway. Not because it's not warranted for us to pay attention to. But in the midst of what she was talking about, like she's doing a small interview at the time. It's a lot different from sitting in Tim Scott sitting in front of the whole country, given the rebuttal to President like, No, no, I'm just, I'm not trying to be nice to her. I'm just trying to explain why it people may have missed
Big EL 7:56
it isn't like you're shooting her son bill just now.
Big O 7:59
This month, this month. Okay, okay, I'll, I'll leave that.
Big EL 8:06
Roland Martin, your boy, he immediately had a whole fucking lie podcast talking about Tim Scott citizen.
Big O 8:14
I mean, but he didn't mention her one time.
Big EL 8:16
Not one time. He was on the podcast for like two fucking hours talking about a crude mentioned. You can't
Big O 8:24
I swear up and down that this nigga L is the reason why Roland Martin doesn't like
Big EL 8:30
that In The Black Podcast. We'd actually not dealing with that, folks. We're going crazy all day about Tim Scott. I saw more Tim Scott post. Things that we should by this point in time. expect him to say?
Big O 8:45
You bet you Right. Right. There's no reason to get mad. Yeah, yeah. I think that what got me though, is not necessarily Kamala Harris, because that is actually a big portion of it as well. That's terrible. But for me, for me, it's become the number of black men that are starting to sound like Tim Scott. No, I know you give me give me the Frou Frou face and all that. But I'm trying
Big EL 9:15
to understand.
Big O 9:18
No, no, no, I'm not shooting. Like I said, Mike. It irks me because you heard that. You heard Tim Scott and I can I can tell you the countless numbers of conversations that I've been a part of where black men specifically black Christian evangelicals. More, I would say at least half of the time former military. Were saying the same exact thing to Tim Scott was saying and I think that's a fair assessment. And it kind of boggles my mind that you would separate yourself as an individual from When you try to park yourself as an individual from your Americanism, or your Christianity, and your blackness, and I was having a conversation yesterday about when when all of this was transpiring, and I was like, before we even get a chance to talk about our patriotism, or theology, you see my blackness first. So how can you try and parse that and say that you're not one? You're the other? Like, it just, it really just gets me. But see,
Krush 10:31
there's some kind of illusion that they have the power to, to, to, you know, put your blackness aside in these conversations. But what is illusion? But what makes them
Big O 10:42
power? That's what makes them think that they are that special or that they're separate that they can do that, though? I think that's that's the big question. Like, how do you exist separately from every other black person in the United States? The illusion the Christian first and a black delusion,
Krush 11:00
complete and utter delusion? A bordering on skit
Big O 11:09
about a schizophrenic.
Big EL 11:12
But But yeah, it's a form of Stockholm Syndrome. Literally, it's a form of Stockholm Syndrome, you are literally
Krush 11:19
trying to, you're trying to, you're trying to cope? No, you are
Big EL 11:25
trying to Stockholm Syndrome, you are literally trying to identify with your passing up your captain, you are listening, when you look at these sort of Coons and this type of coma like behavior, who are they trying to line themselves up with? They're literally trying to line themselves up with their so called power source. This dude has been in this position. And he has been patted on the head by white folks, for years. And in his pat on the head, he is content with just being close to medicine, like this is. So this is
Big O 12:10
gonna sound a very mushy dish my guy is going.
Krush 12:13
And it's funny that they think they pose as funny that they are cozying up to the source of the power. When they're actually the the feed actually the battery.
Big EL 12:25
Right?
Krush 12:27
There. They're feeding. They're feeding everything. Without them. There is no power.
Big O 12:30
Yeah, yeah.
Big EL 12:33
My man, I wonder who's to married to? I wonder what his wife looks like?
Big O 12:38
chat amongst yourselves.
Big EL 12:39
Let me Google that.
Big O 12:44
I'm not going to be surprised if I saw a certain image between last night and today as well, is there seems to be no room for maybe middle of the road is not necessarily because I think that just seems very docile. People are not people that don't claim necessarily democratic politics in its totality, or Republican politics in its totality. And this is why I say that. It was having a conversation yesterday. And of course Tim Scott made his gestures and all that other stuff. And I said Tim Scott is trashed because of X, Y, and Z. And you should have seen all the other folks He's like, yeah, you know, because of Biden, and Biden, and Kamala Harris, you know, all the fellating that Democrats do have, folks. And I was like, Well, no, because Biden hasn't done this comma hasn't done this. And then all of a sudden, I get the, the, well, you know, you don't understand politics. Who else is going to vote for you black? Why would you do that? all this other stuff. And then on the other side, of course, you're already being told because you don't agree with what God said, You're, you're being told that you're on the plantation, but the rest of them, so I'm like, okay, so like, where does that leave me that I recognize the both of these motherfuckers is trash. And I'm trying to figure out who I guess, for lack of a better descriptor, who's less trash,
Big EL 14:10
that leaves you in a place where you're actually because he can logically and to be objective? I think that's where most voters and people who are involved in politics are supposed to be, you're supposed to be able to look at all politicians and political parties, objectively, and not have some false fake fool is bullshit, early racial identity politics or some allegiance to some party based off of their historical narrative. What the fuck are y'all doing for us now? or some kind of? It doesn't make any sense. And again, I'm interested to see in the coming days, what people are going to say about vice president Harris's comments. I'm interested to see um, will I need her one I don't need her, I mean people to hold her feet to the fire to have her clarify her statements, because that is an incredibly egregious and dangerous statement to say, when you had black bodies, littering streets all across this country that had been put here by white police officers. And for you to get up there and say that there's no racism in this country, this.
Big O 15:28
President Joe Biden signed an executive order that made the harassment of Asian Americans in this country, but as a COVID-19, a hate crime.
Big EL 15:39
And most of the black folks is mad about that. They shouldn't.
Big O 15:43
Why should you be? No, I'm saying mad, not necessarily mad because they should be expecting anything different from Joe Biden, mad in the sense they have eight bills,
Big EL 15:52
we have eight bills on the old ones really
Big O 15:55
old. And so let me ask, let me ask you that and that this is part of the the argument, I guess, why do you believe it was necessary for Joe Biden to do that? Mind you? We've just,
Big EL 16:07
I'm sorry. He's pandering.
Big O 16:10
Why does he need to pander to them? Because they own one half of 1.5% of the voting population?
Big EL 16:16
That's right, it's a chance to control the narrative. How much money are they willing to put into his candidacy? Or to the democratic party? How much money do they have considerably, or comparatively to black folks? It's not simply we just can't sit here and make a scene like, this is a fully a race dynamic. There isn't this. black folks don't have money to go out here and supporting candidates. We broke a ship. We grow as a Muslim is when I agree and think that I'm not, we don't have the type of money to do that. So I believe it's really logical for him to line up and put this off, because you have a lot of white progressives, young millennials who have been pushing this support for Asians. That is just mind boggling to me. But I dig it. So it makes sense that you put this on the board. We already have one. We have multiple other boards. Oh, why
Big O 17:06
black folks is upsetting? Yeah, I don't. I don't think anything that we've had on the books at this point has been as specific as what he put forth recently. They always when he does that, he always it's always a broader brush that you invite him to do something different. Why? No, no, no, no, you're right. I like I said, I'm not the anger doesn't come from expecting him to do something. Where's the fact that he had? I'm sorry, where does it come from?
Big EL 17:30
Why are you angry?
Big O 17:31
I think it's in the fact that we're watching this happen. And we just came out of four or five months of people in the streets, there's quite a difference. Or not even, not even just four or five months of people in the streets being beaten, you know, tearing the streets up, but Asian Americans have been facing this backlash. And I put that in quotes. I'm not trying to diminish
Big EL 17:52
your fare by saying the quotation.
Big O 17:55
This backlash for about a year.
Big EL 17:59
Right. I'm sorry, they're not they're not going to give black folks that man. They're not he's not going to do that. I'm waiting for the black folks who said we're going to hold Biden Harris accountable to start holding his wife accountable. Let me know when y'all show up. Okay, cuz so far. Yeah. We should go to the Capitol for agent hate bill. We are gonna hold them accountable. Because that's what y'all told me when I was voting for him. Yeah, you know,
Big O 18:28
I can take it we got
Big EL 18:29
Oh, come on. Oh, you got it. You were holding accountable brother? I
Big O 18:36
am and I am I hold them accountable? Brother. Yes, you are right.
Big EL 18:43
This conversation about how we would hold a president accountable. And I said you could not you said you could
Big O 18:49
part of holding them accountable, like we've already discussed is following the money. Following the money. I know that you don't think that money from the black community into politics really means much. But no, I don't have it. Dude, if we didn't have the money and the mobilization you Raphael, Warnock would not be senator and in Georgia,
Big EL 19:11
at some point, we're going to have a conversation about Raphael Warnock's politics when it comes to the black community I can I have class, a class analysis discussion, because we didn't neglect to have a class analysis within the black community when it comes to politics, because these modifications are not the same people that I give.
Big O 19:34
I give it to you, but he comes. I mean, can you let me ask you a question. We'll move on to the next after that. Can you fault Warnock for being the son of who he is because they came from money because he came from? Because he came from the church. We know that he has a history of his family. No, no, I'm being I'm being very I'm being 100%. Which are you shooting Bell again?
Krush 20:01
I'm a bail bondsman tonight.
Big EL 20:09
I'm asking
Big O 20:12
I'm asking you a question. What would you have like to or propose to have seen from war not given that he didn't choose the class that he was born into? I'm asking the question.
Big EL 20:25
I would like for him to do a number of things, expect him to do something different than what he's doing. No. My issue and bone of contention is not with the Warnock's to Abrams, the ALCS, the Harris's of the world, my bone of contention is with radical grassroots organizers who have not done a good enough job of dealing with the class analysis in our own community, we fail and having that conversation, because the middle class folks, quote, unquote, in black communities don't have the same concerns the same issues as Ray Ray, and I'm on the block. But we fall into the racial identity politics game, we vote for people purely based off of skin color, and thinking that they have the same sort of oppression that we do. And once they get in office, their oppression meter is going to kick in, and they're going to remember right ways because you're,
Big O 21:20
you're 100% 100% 100%, I have one of one of my I tried to get him on the show. He's, like I said, He's been in politics since he was like 20 years old. And he's run campaigns, large, like, national level campaigns. And he said, Forget what you heard. This is a rich man's game. Even those folks that are groomed from the bottom up whether they met you in college, or you became part of like, the young democrats or young republicans in high school and so on, they start grooming you as they start seeing you at these functions, even then, it is still a rich man's game. Why? Because you have to be able to convince people that you're worth having money funneled into you. So by the time you're actually become a face, that's notable, you may not have necessarily have a bank role, but your name has a bank role, and all of that counts and all of that counts.
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